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 The Answer (was Need Help With Trivia Question)

Ken Prizzi e-mailed me a list of words from RFC's of over 500
possibilities. From that list I narrowed it down to 3 choices. They were
rtfm,  hhmm, and tcsh. Of those three, rtfm was guessed the most out of
all the posters. That's what I guessed and I was correct! My apologies
to everyone for not being very clear on the rules of the game. I don't
know what an RTFM is but it's not in my dictionary or even my computer
terms dictionary.

My hat's off to the following people for guessing the "correct" answer:

Juan J. Cuellar from comp.unix.misc
Peter N. M. Hans{*filter*} from comp.unix.admin

   -Phil



 Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
 The Answer (was Need Help With Trivia Question)

 >> The clues so far are:
 >>
 >> 3. It's not an acronym

 Phil> Of those three, rtfm was guessed the most out of all the
 Phil> posters. That's what I guessed and I was correct!

RTFM is an acronym for "Read the (F...ing|Fine) Manual".

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 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
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What a disappointing end to a very poorly done "trivia question".  If RTFM
fits, so do virtually every one of the other answers suggested and hundreds
more that don't.  Besides, RTFM isn't really associated with Unix any more
than anything else is.  Plus RTFM is an acronym.  Dozens of "words" fit the
original "definition" (if you can call it that) better than this.  This
whole thing really amounted to "I'm thinking of a word, tell me what it is."
*sigh*

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 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
 The Answer (was Need Help With Trivia Question)

        Your answer is incorrect. "rtfm" is an acronym and stands
        "read the {*filter*}in' manual". By the same token, "tcsh" is
        wrong since it is a command. That only leaves "hhmm", whatever
        that is.

-am



 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
 The Answer (was Need Help With Trivia Question)

I agree with you. The guy that originally asked me the question didn't know that
much about UNIX. I was lead to believe that it was not an acronym and that it
was a real word. That sent me off in a totally different direction. I think my
original answer of "C" was closer to being the right answer than "rtfm." At
least "C" is a word in my dictionary of computer terms and it has something to
do with UNIX, and it is not an acronym. Sorry I had to drag you guys into this.

   -Phil



 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
 The Answer (was Need Help With Trivia Question)

It may be incorrect but it was the answer that he was looking for.

   -Phil



 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
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But!!! RTFM is most certainly an acronym!!

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 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
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 And also the association w/ Unix is very loose... I'd say is more of an
Internet acronym than a UNIX one... or not even that, since I use it w/
my wife when she tries to use the VCR...

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 Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
 The Answer (was Need Help With Trivia Question)
lets kill the quiz bot!!
kill kill kill kill kill~~~
ok,
its dead
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 Thu, 25 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
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Marcelo L. Meira (marcelo.me...@waii.ERASETHIS.com) wrote:
:  And also the association w/ Unix is very loose... I'd say is more of an
: Internet acronym than a UNIX one... or not even that, since I use it w/
: my wife when she tries to use the VCR...

Well, Unix and the internet were so tied together in the early
days that they could be called the same.  And, slang migrates to
other areas very easily.

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 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
 The Answer (was Need Help With Trivia Question)

 Well, to be exact, RTFM for sure _is_ a Unix acronym! Where else do you have
man pages?!? And that it is used nowadays more widely just shows that it is a
well used acronym which is widely understood and accepted.

 Btw, from whom is this quote and what's the _original_ quote? I know it as:
"UNIX is user friendy - it's just selective on who is it's friend"
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 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
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%% Gerfried Fuchs <gerfried.fu...@siemens.at> writes:

  gf> Well, to be exact, RTFM for sure _is_ a Unix acronym! Where else
  gf> do you have man pages?!?

The full text of the acronym "RTFM" makes no reference to man pages.

  gf>  Btw, from whom is this quote and what's the _original_ quote? I
  gf> know it as: "UNIX is user friendy - it's just selective on who is
  gf> it's friend"

I hope that's not the _real_ original--if so I'm glad Mr. Meira cleaned
it up before using it.

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 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
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[ the 'problem' was: find a four-letter word in Unix without a vowel;
  there is only one correct answer.  the 'answer' was: 'rtfm' ]

% < /usr/dict/words grep '^....$' | grep -vi '[aeiouy]' | sort -u
10th
BSTJ
Blvd
Ph.D
RSVP

It is.

This sort of thing used to bug me in school.  I fled to
computers.

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 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
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RTFM = Read The "Fine" _Manual_. I guess if it meant "man pages" we
would have RTFMP. Kinda like the RTFFAQ, etc.

I have manuals for every appliance in my household, a DOS manual a
Windows manual, an English usage manual, etc etc ad infinitum.

True.

I don't know. I copied from somewhere, and that was copied from
somewhere else, etc etc.
I don't think there's royalties for quotes. If I knew the author, I'd
gladly credit. I don't know about the "_original_" or the "derivative"
quote. I just copied what I saw and liked it. Why does it matter anyway?

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 Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:00:00 GMT   
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Marcelo L. Meira (marcelo.me...@waii.ERASETHIS.com) wrote:
: >
: > Marcelo L. Meira wrote:
: > >
: > > William F. Wyatt wrote:
: > > >
: > > > But!!! RTFM is most certainly an acronym!!
: > > >
: > >  And also the association w/ Unix is very loose... I'd say is more of an
: > > Internet acronym than a UNIX one... or not even that, since I use it w/
: > > my wife when she tries to use the VCR...
: >
: >  Well, to be exact, RTFM for sure _is_ a Unix acronym! Where else do you have
: > man pages?!?

: RTFM = Read The "Fine" _Manual_. I guess if it meant "man pages" we
: would have RTFMP. Kinda like the RTFFAQ, etc.

: I have manuals for every appliance in my household, a DOS manual a
: Windows manual, an English usage manual, etc etc ad infinitum.

: >And that it is used nowadays more widely just shows that it is a
: > well used acronym which is widely understood and accepted.

: True.

Perhaps you will accept the voice of authority.  On computer jargon,  the
jargon file is considered to be THE AUTHORITY.

RTFM /R-T-F-M/ /imp./

[Unix] Acronym for `Read The F***ing Manual'.
1. Used by gurus to brush off questions they consider trivial or
   annoying. Compare Don't do that, then!.
2. Used when reporting a problem to indicate that you aren't
   just asking out of randomness. "No, I can't figure out how to
   interface Unix to my toaster, and yes, I have RTFM." Unlike
   sense 1, this use is considered polite. See also FM, RTFAQ,
   RTFB, RTFS, RTM, all of which mutated from RTFM, and compare
   UTSL.

The etymology is in square brackets.

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